This quote, from Tolkien's mythological work, 'Morgoth's Ring,' has never been found in any other of his manuscripts. I think that this is one of my favorite quotes from him - especially the last paragraph.
In order to understand the following passage, I think it may be helpful to realize that Tolkien had purposefully created a pre-redemption world, but just because it was not a key theme in his books does not mean that he was trying to avoid the Redemption theme. Some people say that because Tolkien's books do not focus on the Redemption, like most of Lewis's do, they are not worth reading. I think that this passage might be the key to understanding some of the theology behind the pre-Lord of the Rings mythology, especially the Ainulindale. Also, as an afterthought, isn't it interesting to think that Tolkien was never able to finish the Silmarillion or most of his other First and Second Age books? I often wonder what they would have been if he had lived to complete them...
‘Have ye then no hope?’ said Finrod.
‘What is hope?’ she said. ‘An expectation of good, which though uncertain has some foundation in what is known? Then we have none.’
‘That is one thing that Men call “hope”,’ said Finrod. ‘Amdir we call it, “looking up”. But there is another which is founded deeper. Estel we call it, that is “trust”. It is not defeated by the ways of the world, for it does not come from experience, but from our nature and first being. If we are indeed the Eruhin, the Children of the One, then He will not suffer Himself to be deprived of His own, not by any Enemy, not even by ourselves. This is the last foundation of Estel, which we keep even when we contemplate the End: of all His designs the issue must be for His Children’s joy. Amdir you have not, you say. Does no Estel at all abide?’
‘Maybe,’ she said . . . ‘It is believed that healing may yet be found, or that there is some way of escape. But is this indeed Estel? Is it not Amdir rather; but without reason: mere flight in a dream from what waking they know: that there is no escape from darkness and death?’
‘Mere flight in a dream you say,’ answered Finrod. ‘In dream many desires are revealed; and desire may be the last flicker of Estel. But you do not mean dream, Andreth. You confound dream and waking with hope and belief, to make the one more doubtful and the other more sure . . .
‘What then was this hope, if you know?’ Finrod asked.
‘They say,’ answered Andreth: ‘they say that the One will himself enter into Arda, and heal Men and all the Marring from the beginning to the end. . . . How could Eru enter into the thing that He has made, and than which He is beyond measure greater? Can the singer enter into his tale or the designer into his picture?’
‘He is already in it, as well as outside,’ said Finrod . . . ‘For, as it seems to me, even if He in Himself were to enter in, He must still remain also as He is: the Author without. And yet, Andreth, to speak with humility, I cannot conceive how else this healing could be achieved. Since Eru will surely not suffer Melkor to turn the world to his own will and to triumph in the end. Yet there is no power conceivable greater than Melkor save Eru only. Therefore Eru, if He will not relinquish his work to Melkor, who must else proceed to mastery, then Eru must come in to conquer him. More: even if Melkor (or the Morgoth that he has become) could in any way be thrown down or thrust from Arda, still his Shadow would remain, and the evil that he has wrote and sown as a seed would wax and multiply. And if any remedy for this is to be found, ere all is ended, any new light to oppose the shadow, or any medicine for the wounds: then it must, I deem, come from without.’
-J. R. R. Tolkien, Morgoth's Ring
November 18, 2008
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Ohhhhhhhhh Raora,
ReplyDeleteThat was beautiful. When I read things like that, one of the first things I think of is "That person has to know God to write like that."
That gave me a poetic thrill, too :). I have never read Morgoth's Ring, indeed I have never read any Tolkien besides the Hobbit and LOTR. We own the Silmarillion, and after seeing this I think I'll read it . If it's half as good has LOTR it will be remarkable. What is it about Tolkien that makes one want to read it? Is it the poetic style of writing, or the story line, or the action, or the wonderful attention to details; or is it finding the same essence of truth that we find in this world, in a story? I think it is the latter with me, at least for the most part; it was the same way with the Chronicles of Narnia. C.S. Lewis writes in a completely different style from Tolkien, but the root of the heart of the core rings the same. I'm not very good at turning the thoughts at the back of my mind into readable, reasonable sentences, but I think you understand what I'm trying to say.
~Anne
Hi Anne!
ReplyDeleteI am so glad you liked that quote. Yes, I certainly understand what you are trying to say. That is exactly what I think when I read things like that! And when it comes to the five qualities of Tolkien's works that you mentioned, I personally think it is all of them combined that makes us want to read Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. To tell you the truth, I have not read Morgoth's Ring either, but I did read the Silmarillion and the Unfinished Tales, and I am presently reading the Children of Hurin - but that will take awhile longer, because I am reading it in Turkish. I can't necessarily recommend the Twelve Histories of Middle Earth that Christopher Tolkien compiled, (I have only read the Unfinished Tales, but they seem to be mostly commentary and repetition and extension of the Silmarillion,) but I certainly recommend the Silmarillion. You can type it in on Wikipedia to see what it is all about, because this is already getting too long! It was definitely 'half-as-good' as Lord of the Rings, but it was very different. If you don't like slow beginnings, I would skip the Valaquenta and go straight to the Sil itself. Personally, I liked it all. My favorite part was the story of Beren and Luthien.
Thanks for the comment!
Namarie,
Raora
Hail Raora, FSC (Fellow Sister in Commenthood)
ReplyDeleteThankyou for replying! I want to read the Silmarillion, ALOT, but I have a HUGE list of books to read for School, so it will be awhile.
Question; if I ever have a blog, of which I'm not sure, do you think Spare Oom would be a good name?
Thanks, and God Bless you and your goats,
~ Anne
Hi Anne!
ReplyDeleteCommenthood. I love compound words like that. Have you ever read Beowulf? Frederick Rebsmane's translation of the Beowulf poem (I LOVE that book!) uses, or rather, invents, literally hundreds of compound words in order to pin down a certain meaning. It is true poetry. Heart-strength, song-swords, anger-fire, mind-thoughts, heart-loyal - those are just a very few. Anyway, that's all rather beside the point.
As for your future-blog-that-may-or-may-not-be, I think that Spare Oom is a wonderful idea. We used to have a room on the top floor of our last house that was called the Spare Room as well! I do hope you find the time to start a blog. That would be great!
Namarie,
Raora
P.S. I know what it is like to have a LONG reading list, but I still hope you get around the Silmarilion!
Hey hey, its Quin. First of all I want to say, "VERY IMPRESSIVE". Your poetry is brilliant. Have you ever read anything by Edgar Allen Poe? If not your in for a treat. He is my personal favorite when it comes to poetry and short stories but he is a little creepy. But also I have just onee little criticism; for Tolkien's about to be about redemption is a nice thought but I don't think thats what it is about. Tolkien's writings are more about the "deeper reality". He tries (and very effectively) to portray the battle of the spiritual world though fiction. The LOTR is a perfect example of how he illustrates the "deeper reality" through his "fictional" writing. But in fact his "fiction" is closer to reality than books that are about "reality." The idea that his writing is about redemption is thoughtful and hopeful, but not really logical.
ReplyDeleteYour writing and poetry is soOoOo impressive. You need to write a short story.
P.S. Read "The Black Cat" by Edgar Allen Poe, it is the epitome of brilliance.
Hope to see you at christmas
-Quin
Hi Quin,
ReplyDeleteThanks for dropping by! I am so glad that you have enjoyed my blog. I do like Poe - he certainly has very mysterious poems, though! I have not read his works extensively, and I will have to read the Black
Cat. One of my favorites of his is BELLS. I am sure that you have heard of it. Don't you love the rhythm that it has!
You can read my last post to see my response to your comment on the conclusions that I drew from that quote. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
As for writing a short story - I have actually been working on a fictional novel for three years. I am about halfway done, so that means I'll send you a copy of the published book in another three years!
Namarie,
Raora
Hello Raora, FSC
ReplyDeleteIt's me again... funny, I have been working on a fictional novel for three years now, too. I finished it two years ago, then scrapped it, then started it again, etc... and so it goes. I don't think I'll ever finish it, but such is life...
Thank's to blogs such as you and your sister's, I have decided to start one, hopefully over the Christmas break. But I don't intend to post very often; just when I have something worthwhile and the time to post it. I hope you can drop in at Spare Oom, where I'll be known as Meg, which is more like my actual name. So don't be surprised when I sign my name Meg now... it's still 'Anne with and E' !!
~Meg/Anne
p.s.
ReplyDeleteMaybe, in a few months, I'll be able to write a review about the Silmarillion ;)
Merry Christmas, Raora! I haven't talked with you in far, FAR too long!
ReplyDeletelove you!
Anya